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	<title>Comments on: Representing Content and Data in Wireframes: Special Deliverable #10</title>
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		<title>By: scottg</title>
		<link>http://boxesandarrows.com/representing-content-and-data-in-wireframes-special-deliverable-10/#comment-5655</link>
		<dc:creator>scottg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&quot;Working with a small set of real data lets you find out about the real state of the data.&quot;

True. But a warning... acquring truly real data may actually violate privacy provisions of a client. And even if it doesn&#039;t, you just never know where some presentations may end up. Is this a big problem? Probably not. Still, the wrong stuff in the wrong place and you could have a crazy large liability problem that started with a totally innocent and well-meaning plan. I&#039;d suggest if you pull real data, you switch about the fields from record to record so nothing represents a real record.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Working with a small set of real data lets you find out about the real state of the data.&#8221;</p>
<p>True. But a warning&#8230; acquring truly real data may actually violate privacy provisions of a client. And even if it doesn&#8217;t, you just never know where some presentations may end up. Is this a big problem? Probably not. Still, the wrong stuff in the wrong place and you could have a crazy large liability problem that started with a totally innocent and well-meaning plan. I&#8217;d suggest if you pull real data, you switch about the fields from record to record so nothing represents a real record.</p>
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		<title>By: noush</title>
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		<dc:creator>noush</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The dummy data comes from the printing and typesetting industry, the language is not Greek but the technique described here is called &#039;Greek or &#039;Greeking.  This is also commonly called &#039;dummy text&#039;, &#039;lorem ipsum&#039; or &#039;Greek&#039; or &#039;greeked text&#039;, even when text used is infact Latin. 

Is greeeking useful in wireframes? Totally depends on the project, your team and the audience for the wireframe. 

A stakeholder or a designer may be able to relate to it more when it&#039;s real content, a stakeholder needs to understand the consequences of their decisions. But also for the person creating the wireframes, I find that even when you have done a full content audit and it all appears simple, working with real data while you are working on the wireframes highlights how the layout could work under the strain of real content.

However when you do wireframes that go to the development team greeking is pointless and realistic text is misleading, so best then to either annotate the Greek text or give them the attribute field in brackets (or content tags as mentioned above). How to annotate the wireframes? This then depends on the complexity and scale of the project. The top layer of the presentation of these attributes/content tags can be listed on the wireframe itself and then could reference the content object (metadata) model field which is often another document in itself.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The dummy data comes from the printing and typesetting industry, the language is not Greek but the technique described here is called &#8216;Greek or &#8216;Greeking.  This is also commonly called &#8216;dummy text&#8217;, &#8216;lorem ipsum&#8217; or &#8216;Greek&#8217; or &#8216;greeked text&#8217;, even when text used is infact Latin. </p>
<p>Is greeeking useful in wireframes? Totally depends on the project, your team and the audience for the wireframe. </p>
<p>A stakeholder or a designer may be able to relate to it more when it&#8217;s real content, a stakeholder needs to understand the consequences of their decisions. But also for the person creating the wireframes, I find that even when you have done a full content audit and it all appears simple, working with real data while you are working on the wireframes highlights how the layout could work under the strain of real content.</p>
<p>However when you do wireframes that go to the development team greeking is pointless and realistic text is misleading, so best then to either annotate the Greek text or give them the attribute field in brackets (or content tags as mentioned above). How to annotate the wireframes? This then depends on the complexity and scale of the project. The top layer of the presentation of these attributes/content tags can be listed on the wireframe itself and then could reference the content object (metadata) model field which is often another document in itself.</p>
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		<title>By: Martin Kolesar</title>
		<link>http://boxesandarrows.com/representing-content-and-data-in-wireframes-special-deliverable-10/#comment-9765</link>
		<dc:creator>Martin Kolesar</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[It&#039;s not so important, but &quot;Lorem Ipsum&quot; is actually Latin, not Greek. :-) See http://www.lipsum.com .]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s not so important, but &#8220;Lorem Ipsum&#8221; is actually Latin, not Greek. <img src='http://www-boxesandarrows-com.zippykid.netdna-cdn.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' />  See <a href="http://www.lipsum.com" rel="nofollow">http://www.lipsum.com</a> .</p>
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		<title>By: dave</title>
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		<dc:creator>dave</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[the issue of real looking data is also true when dealing with technical people as well. I just had an instance where the developer was confused on a mock because I had entered example data using alphanumeric when in fact, the real data is constrained to only numbers.

Great thoughts!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>the issue of real looking data is also true when dealing with technical people as well. I just had an instance where the developer was confused on a mock because I had entered example data using alphanumeric when in fact, the real data is constrained to only numbers.</p>
<p>Great thoughts!</p>
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		<title>By: Brian R. Krause</title>
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		<dc:creator>Brian R. Krause</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Great list of choices for sample data.

I like to use actual data, data from my client when possible.  (Though it&#039;s not hard to find &quot;real&quot; names, addresses, and phone numbers if that&#039;s all you need.)  Making this request often reveals who on the team is closest to the real users, which is a good thing to know.

Working with a small set of real data lets you find out about the real state of the data, for example the addresses might be in all upper case, or the name field is combined, or the part numbers won&#039;t really be available until a big data entry project takes place.

Real data leaves less to the imagination.  For example, &quot;GP 3000 700X23C RED/BLK&quot; is obviously a popular road bike tire manufactured by Continental to anyone in the bike industry, but I bet some UI designers or developers would say it&#039;s a &quot;confusing&quot; description of a tire, since it doesn&#039;t even use the word tire.  By leaving it as a label, &quot;[Description]&quot;, people will fill in the blanks with their own assumptions, postponing decisions about how actual data will eventually appear.  This may or may not be a good thing: sometimes you don&#039;t want to get hung up on examples, but sometimes, that&#039;s the best way to spark the right discussion.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great list of choices for sample data.</p>
<p>I like to use actual data, data from my client when possible.  (Though it&#8217;s not hard to find &#8220;real&#8221; names, addresses, and phone numbers if that&#8217;s all you need.)  Making this request often reveals who on the team is closest to the real users, which is a good thing to know.</p>
<p>Working with a small set of real data lets you find out about the real state of the data, for example the addresses might be in all upper case, or the name field is combined, or the part numbers won&#8217;t really be available until a big data entry project takes place.</p>
<p>Real data leaves less to the imagination.  For example, &#8220;GP 3000 700X23C RED/BLK&#8221; is obviously a popular road bike tire manufactured by Continental to anyone in the bike industry, but I bet some UI designers or developers would say it&#8217;s a &#8220;confusing&#8221; description of a tire, since it doesn&#8217;t even use the word tire.  By leaving it as a label, &#8220;[Description]&#8220;, people will fill in the blanks with their own assumptions, postponing decisions about how actual data will eventually appear.  This may or may not be a good thing: sometimes you don&#8217;t want to get hung up on examples, but sometimes, that&#8217;s the best way to spark the right discussion.</p>
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		<title>By: Julius Caeser</title>
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		<dc:creator>Julius Caeser</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[it&#039;s not Greek.. it&#039;s Latin text..]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>it&#8217;s not Greek.. it&#8217;s Latin text..</p>
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		<title>By: David Erwin</title>
		<link>http://boxesandarrows.com/representing-content-and-data-in-wireframes-special-deliverable-10/#comment-9769</link>
		<dc:creator>David Erwin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[What a great idea to write about this. Ideally, I try to go beyond fake-data-that-does-not-confuse-people. When the data in the wireframe supports a common scenario, it helps everyone (including me) evaluate the design. It requires a real cognitive walk-through to get the data right, but it’s worth he time spent with a calculator and Google. It gives the stakeholders confidence, and I’m sure I get more support in the project as a result.

A tip: Use Google Sets when you can only think of a few examples of something. 

(btw, my favorite long name for wireframes is Jonathan Balasubramanian.)]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What a great idea to write about this. Ideally, I try to go beyond fake-data-that-does-not-confuse-people. When the data in the wireframe supports a common scenario, it helps everyone (including me) evaluate the design. It requires a real cognitive walk-through to get the data right, but it’s worth he time spent with a calculator and Google. It gives the stakeholders confidence, and I’m sure I get more support in the project as a result.</p>
<p>A tip: Use Google Sets when you can only think of a few examples of something. </p>
<p>(btw, my favorite long name for wireframes is Jonathan Balasubramanian.)</p>
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		<title>By: andres zapata</title>
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		<dc:creator>andres zapata</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[This was a great article.  I have found that the client drives which way I go.  More mature client relationships allow me to get away with less time consuming approaches because I have been coaching them with previous deliverables (they love when you save them money).  No matter what I do, however, I frame their expectations about what they are going to get before I get going.  They can typically tell you if that’s going to work for them or not.  Thanks Dan!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This was a great article.  I have found that the client drives which way I go.  More mature client relationships allow me to get away with less time consuming approaches because I have been coaching them with previous deliverables (they love when you save them money).  No matter what I do, however, I frame their expectations about what they are going to get before I get going.  They can typically tell you if that’s going to work for them or not.  Thanks Dan!</p>
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		<title>By: Zef Fugaz &#124; Provoke Solutions</title>
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		<dc:creator>Zef Fugaz &#124; Provoke Solutions</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[This is great to see. I&#039;ve also been using a similar technique (including the square brackets etc). I call them &#039;ContentTags&#039;. But I find it these are only useful for in-house design and development(developers love them!).

But when it comes to usability testing on a paper prototype (or selling the designs to non-technical clients) they find the placeholders a distraction - they don&#039;t get a view of the application in a real world context.

To get around this I convert the &#039;ContentTags&#039; into human-readable content (dummy data). This way the users are not distracted by tech-speak -improving the accuracy of the usability test.

So in my experience your technique is right-on, but the use of dummy data is still valuable in certain situations.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is great to see. I&#8217;ve also been using a similar technique (including the square brackets etc). I call them &#8216;ContentTags&#8217;. But I find it these are only useful for in-house design and development(developers love them!).</p>
<p>But when it comes to usability testing on a paper prototype (or selling the designs to non-technical clients) they find the placeholders a distraction &#8211; they don&#8217;t get a view of the application in a real world context.</p>
<p>To get around this I convert the &#8216;ContentTags&#8217; into human-readable content (dummy data). This way the users are not distracted by tech-speak -improving the accuracy of the usability test.</p>
<p>So in my experience your technique is right-on, but the use of dummy data is still valuable in certain situations.</p>
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		<title>By: Dan Brown</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dan Brown</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I&#039;m turning these initial ideas into a poster for the IA Summit. If you have further suggestions or things you&#039;d like to see, please let me know! I&#039;m brownorama by way of gmail.com.

See you in Montreal!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m turning these initial ideas into a poster for the IA Summit. If you have further suggestions or things you&#8217;d like to see, please let me know! I&#8217;m brownorama by way of gmail.com.</p>
<p>See you in Montreal!</p>
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